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- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 16:07:41 EST
- From: map@yogi.siemens.com (Michael Platoff)
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- To: firewalls@greatcircle.com
- Subject: Dynamic password cards
-
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- Many people have contacted me about the results of my query for
- vendors who sell dynamic password cards. I've attached the most
- informative message I received about these devices. There were
- some other replies about software-only solutions, but I'm looking
- for a device that a user can carry around with them to use from a
- terminal or arbitrary node on the Internet.
-
- Michael Platoff email: map@scr.siemens.com
- Siemens Corporate Research phone: (609) 734-3354
- 755 College Road East
- Princeton, NJ 08540-6668
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- From: Nathan Estey <nestey@csn.org>
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- Subject: Re: Dynamic password cards
- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:34:08 -0700
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- >From csn!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!samsung!transfer!ellisun.sw.stratus.com!cme Tue Oct 6 19:02:00 MDT 1992
- Article: 5962 of sci.crypt
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- From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt
- Subject: RESULTS: challenge login devices
- Message-ID: <7015@transfer.stratus.com>
- Date: 6 Oct 92 16:26:17 GMT
- Sender: usenet@transfer.stratus.com
- Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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- A while back, I wrote:
-
- >I have heard descriptions of small devices (eg., pocket calculator size)
- >which apply a secret DES key to a challenge (random) number to produce a
- >response for use in login (instead of a password). Does anyone out there
- >know manufacturers for such devices so that I can get technical and
- >price information?
-
- Thanks to everyone who responded.
-
- I have learned that the manufacturers all call these devices "tokens" or
- "password tokens".
-
- The following manufacturers have been brought to my attention:
-
- Company Product Name(s)
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- Racal-Guardata WatchWord
- 480 Spring Park Place
- Herndon, VA 22070
- (703) 471-0892
-
- Enigma Logic, Inc. SafeWord (4 versions):
- 2151 Salvio #301 Gold Card, Silver Card,
- Concord, CA 94520 AccessCard, MultiSync
- (510) 827-5707
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- Digital Pathways, Inc. SecureNet
- 201 Ravendale Drive
- Mountain View, CA 94043
- (415) 964-0707
-
- Hughes LAN Systems ??? (they didn't seem to
- Hughes Aircraft Company know what I was talking
- 1225 Charleston Road about when I called them)
- Mountain View, CA 94043
- (415) 966-7400
-
- Security Dynamics, SecureID
- 2067 Massachusetts Avenue,
- Cambridge, MA 02140
- (617) 547-7820
-
- >From what I've been able to learn so far:
-
- =====
-
- Racal-Guardata makes a full line of H/W -- modems, key management boxes,
- ... -- and supports not just the WatchWord but also smartcards. For
- example, they have a product which is a modem into which you plug your
- smartcard, enter a PIN (using keys and an LCD on the modem itself) and from
- then on, you are not only authenticated but your line is continuously
- encrypted.
-
- WatchWord is used by the NCSC's dockmaster system and at least one user out
- there thinks it's the best of the lot. I was impressed with their
- provision for multiple (2) keys and PINs -- the use of the PIN directly to
- the token (never transmitted). The WatchWord costs about $90 (quantity 1)
- - -- but is a 4 function calculator as well, with memory (yup -- probably a
- $5 value :-).
-
- WatchWord operates by being challenged with a 7 digit (decimal) number (in
- phone number format). You enter your PIN and that number, then the
- calculator gives you a 7-digit response which you type in response to the
- login. It's about 4.125" x 2.25" x 0.375".
-
- ====
-
- Enigma Logic makes S/W to do the login authentication using almost all the
- other tokens, not just their own. The impression I got was that they
- really wanted to sell S/W -- and sold H/W just because it was necessary.
-
- SafeWord DES Gold: synchronous -- you enter your PIN and a host number, it
- gives you the next password in your sequence. There's no challenge -- you
- have to keep in sync. [as one person pointed out, you have to make sure
- there's no kid in the house to fiddle with it and start generating
- passwords you don't use.] There are up to 8 different hosts provided for.
-
- SafeWord DES Silver: synchronous -- press "on" and get the next password.
- (no PIN, no multiple hosts)
-
- SafeWord AccessCard: public key (allegedly), 7-digit challenge and
- response. Details on the algorithm aren't given in the data sheet I
- received from them, so I don't know anything about their algorithm or how
- they do key negotiation -- and I especially don't know how secure it is.
- The brief sketch of how to initialize it doesn't say anything about having
- to type hundreds of digits to and from the host to do key management -- so
- it doesn't sound like DH exponential key exchange.
-
- SafeWord MultiSync: up to four hosts, any of 4 modes: async (chal/resp);
- 1-button synchronous; PIN-async (PIN and challenge); PIN-sync (PIN => next
- password).
-
- All of these cards are bulky credit card size (3.4" x 2.2" x 0.2")
-
- =====
-
- SecureNet: two modes: async (chal/resp); sync (enter PIN and digit
- selecting 1 of 6 hosts -- get next password in sequence). Size: 52 x 89 x
- 9.8 mm (info from Enigma Logic data sheet).
-
- Price about $60, (quantity 2).
-
- =====
-
- SecureID: time-synchronous: displays a new password continuously, changed
- every minute or so. The host keeps not only your key (for generating the
- same sequence) but a synchronized clock. My detailed info from them is
- about to arrive. This info is from sci.crypt readers.
-
- SecureID does not use DES but rather a proprietary PRNG algorithm which was
- reviewed and blessed by Ron Rivest. This card is used by Cray users
- worldwide (or so it seems from the responses I got). It is credit-card
- sized and if I remember correctly, in the $60 range (but that's not a real
- price quote -- just (possibly flaky) memory).
-
- =====
-
- stachour@sctc.com sent mail describing some S/W solution their company
- sells, but that's not what I was asking for so I didn't follow up.
-
- =====
-
-
- - --Carl
-
-
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- Article: 5966 of sci.crypt
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- From: clancy@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Kim Clancy)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt
- Subject: Re: RESULTS: challenge login devices
- Message-ID: <5975@dove.nist.gov>
- Date: 6 Oct 92 18:38:09 GMT
- References: <7015@transfer.stratus.com>
- Sender: news@dove.nist.gov
- Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
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- I use Enigma Logics Multisycn card. NIST sent it to me since I dial into
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